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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 01:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Klara, sorry it took me so long to publish your comment. I was out of town at a conference and did not have access to my blog for a few days. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I&#039;ll not publish your follow-up comments in which you cast some nasty aspersions at me for not publishing your comment immediately. May I suggest you not be too quick to judge others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klara, sorry it took me so long to publish your comment. I was out of town at a conference and did not have access to my blog for a few days. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I&#8217;ll not publish your follow-up comments in which you cast some nasty aspersions at me for not publishing your comment immediately. May I suggest you not be too quick to judge others.</p>
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		<title>By: Klara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across this website by chance.  I  like very much your initial response to the parent:

Your response was:
  The Church does not endorse intelligent design because ID purports to be a science when it is not. Rather, the Church continues to embrace theistic evolution which is a reconciliation between science and religion (recognizing their complementary relationship). In other words, the Church teaches that the whole discussion cannot be contained to science but inevitably leads to faith.
·         I’ve not read the Ratzinger book mentioned above but it looks like a good resource for the Mom to read for her own enrichment. That still leaves the issue of how to engage the child. Take a look at this link: http://www.love2learn.net/science/creation.htm. The site reviews a book, Creator and Creation (second edition) that seems to address the issue thoughtfully.
·         Take a look at this link from John Allen in which he synthesizes Benedict XVI’s views on the issue: http://nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word090106.htm
·         I think that the bottom line is that the child’s interest in the science of evolution should not be hindered but encouraged along with an encouragement to explore the mystery of our being – the WHY of our being – which can only be explored in the realm of faith. The child should be led to understand that the theory of evolution is not necessarily atheistic, but expands our understanding of the complexity, intricacy, and intimacy of God’s relationship with all of creation…like a loving parent’s relationship with a developing child.

But later on you stated:
Personally, I have no need to pursue the inadequacy of the theory of evolution because I do not see it as being in conflict with my faith. I don’t think that our strategy should be to respond to disbelievers with more science but rather to invite them to consider the meaning of life and the WHY of creation.

Do you realize that you are actually contradicting  yourself?  You are promoting exactly the opposite of what Catholic Church is asking of you:  Catholic Church  wants us to study both and be curious of both and through both  to find meaning and knowledge, this is the message of the Catholic Church and not to ignore one and just blindly accept faith and not to try to convince one group to accept faith and drop their search to find answers to their  WHYs!  it is absurd!  How will the world be, if all scientists dropped their Whys?  Will their be research in medical, technological fields?  Will you have better medical care, internet, pharmacy or transportation or living conditions?  How will their be any advancements in social economic medical technological fields without science?  By prayer?
Science , Theory of Evolution  and Theistic Evolution do  go hand in hand and  they complement each other.  Nobody can ignore the fact from dinosaurs and million year old fossils and  hundred thousand year old human remains and artifacts that life was on earth for millions of years and did not start with Bible.  But some find the Bible and Torah and Kuran as religious texts  inspiring.  They certainly can not explain how Life started on earth scientifically.  But they are testaments to human imagination, records of  our recent human history, human search for meaning, poetry and they have their place and importance in their own right.  But just because of those texts nobody becomes more ethical nor moral as we see countless of times with hateful behavior  they have also induced: divisiveness, religious hatred, bigotry and religious wars.  Human beings are complex and the  &quot;god&quot; they are searching outside is within each of us. Love is within and hate is within.  Religious texts are certainly inspiring.  Science is certainly fascinating. But at the end, human beings  are alone with their conscious and their reason and they must be and have the strength to be their own judge and their own &quot; church&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across this website by chance.  I  like very much your initial response to the parent:</p>
<p>Your response was:<br />
  The Church does not endorse intelligent design because ID purports to be a science when it is not. Rather, the Church continues to embrace theistic evolution which is a reconciliation between science and religion (recognizing their complementary relationship). In other words, the Church teaches that the whole discussion cannot be contained to science but inevitably leads to faith.<br />
·         I’ve not read the Ratzinger book mentioned above but it looks like a good resource for the Mom to read for her own enrichment. That still leaves the issue of how to engage the child. Take a look at this link: <a href="http://www.love2learn.net/science/creation.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.love2learn.net/science/creation.htm</a>. The site reviews a book, Creator and Creation (second edition) that seems to address the issue thoughtfully.<br />
·         Take a look at this link from John Allen in which he synthesizes Benedict XVI’s views on the issue: <a href="http://nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word090106.htm" rel="nofollow">http://nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word090106.htm</a><br />
·         I think that the bottom line is that the child’s interest in the science of evolution should not be hindered but encouraged along with an encouragement to explore the mystery of our being – the WHY of our being – which can only be explored in the realm of faith. The child should be led to understand that the theory of evolution is not necessarily atheistic, but expands our understanding of the complexity, intricacy, and intimacy of God’s relationship with all of creation…like a loving parent’s relationship with a developing child.</p>
<p>But later on you stated:<br />
Personally, I have no need to pursue the inadequacy of the theory of evolution because I do not see it as being in conflict with my faith. I don’t think that our strategy should be to respond to disbelievers with more science but rather to invite them to consider the meaning of life and the WHY of creation.</p>
<p>Do you realize that you are actually contradicting  yourself?  You are promoting exactly the opposite of what Catholic Church is asking of you:  Catholic Church  wants us to study both and be curious of both and through both  to find meaning and knowledge, this is the message of the Catholic Church and not to ignore one and just blindly accept faith and not to try to convince one group to accept faith and drop their search to find answers to their  WHYs!  it is absurd!  How will the world be, if all scientists dropped their Whys?  Will their be research in medical, technological fields?  Will you have better medical care, internet, pharmacy or transportation or living conditions?  How will their be any advancements in social economic medical technological fields without science?  By prayer?<br />
Science , Theory of Evolution  and Theistic Evolution do  go hand in hand and  they complement each other.  Nobody can ignore the fact from dinosaurs and million year old fossils and  hundred thousand year old human remains and artifacts that life was on earth for millions of years and did not start with Bible.  But some find the Bible and Torah and Kuran as religious texts  inspiring.  They certainly can not explain how Life started on earth scientifically.  But they are testaments to human imagination, records of  our recent human history, human search for meaning, poetry and they have their place and importance in their own right.  But just because of those texts nobody becomes more ethical nor moral as we see countless of times with hateful behavior  they have also induced: divisiveness, religious hatred, bigotry and religious wars.  Human beings are complex and the  &#8220;god&#8221; they are searching outside is within each of us. Love is within and hate is within.  Religious texts are certainly inspiring.  Science is certainly fascinating. But at the end, human beings  are alone with their conscious and their reason and they must be and have the strength to be their own judge and their own &#8221; church&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mom of the 11 year old,

I&#039;m so glad we could be of help. Continue checking here for more comments from people with good ideas that may assist you. God bless your vocation as a parent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mom of the 11 year old,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad we could be of help. Continue checking here for more comments from people with good ideas that may assist you. God bless your vocation as a parent!</p>
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		<title>By: Mom of the 11 year old</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom of the 11 year old</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe and others, Thank you for your advice. I have looked into ordering the books recommended and also viewed the trailer for Ben Steins movie. I hope this will help my son on his spiritual journey. When faced with this issue I turned to my Priest and the Principal of our school. They could not offer help so I turned to the internet and found Sister Julie. Joe your site may come in handy in the future, I have forwarded it to my Pastor and School. Thank you for your work you definitely helped our family find resources to solve our issue.
The Mom
 (a mom is more than a meal or a hug and a kiss. She is the first teacher, a advisor and sometimes a compass) we all do the best we can on our own but it is nice to have help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe and others, Thank you for your advice. I have looked into ordering the books recommended and also viewed the trailer for Ben Steins movie. I hope this will help my son on his spiritual journey. When faced with this issue I turned to my Priest and the Principal of our school. They could not offer help so I turned to the internet and found Sister Julie. Joe your site may come in handy in the future, I have forwarded it to my Pastor and School. Thank you for your work you definitely helped our family find resources to solve our issue.<br />
The Mom<br />
 (a mom is more than a meal or a hug and a kiss. She is the first teacher, a advisor and sometimes a compass) we all do the best we can on our own but it is nice to have help.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katie, thanks for sharing about your experience. You&#039;re right on target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katie, thanks for sharing about your experience. You&#8217;re right on target.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Skerpon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie Skerpon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach high school religion (currently 9th and 10th) and this topic comes up all the time.  One thing I like to point out is that the Bible is not a science textbook - rather it is a book of faith.  Science may tell us the how of creation, but our Faith tells us why we are created, what is our purpose?  I always tell the kids that we have to look for the religious, not literal, truth of the creation accounts - God made us and God said that all of creation is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach high school religion (currently 9th and 10th) and this topic comes up all the time.  One thing I like to point out is that the Bible is not a science textbook &#8211; rather it is a book of faith.  Science may tell us the how of creation, but our Faith tells us why we are created, what is our purpose?  I always tell the kids that we have to look for the religious, not literal, truth of the creation accounts &#8211; God made us and God said that all of creation is good.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sr. Julie,
As always, a pleasure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sr. Julie,<br />
As always, a pleasure!</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Joe,
Thank you so much for tackling this one. I will send the mom in question over here for your helpful advice.
Blessings,
Sister Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Joe,<br />
Thank you so much for tackling this one. I will send the mom in question over here for your helpful advice.<br />
Blessings,<br />
Sister Julie</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Douglas.
Personally, I have no need to pursue the inadequacy of the theory of evolution because I do not see it as being in conflict with my faith. I don&#039;t think that our strategy should be to respond to disbelievers with more science but rather to invite them to consider the meaning of life and the WHY of creation. I agree with you that the fascinating realities of science can and should serve to deepen our faith in God who is intimately involved in his creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Douglas.<br />
Personally, I have no need to pursue the inadequacy of the theory of evolution because I do not see it as being in conflict with my faith. I don&#8217;t think that our strategy should be to respond to disbelievers with more science but rather to invite them to consider the meaning of life and the WHY of creation. I agree with you that the fascinating realities of science can and should serve to deepen our faith in God who is intimately involved in his creation.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are lots of sources that discuss the inadequecy of the theory of evolution.  For starters, Google &quot;problems with evolution&quot; and have at it!  For example, this article:  http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/147-problems-for-the-theory-of-evolution

How about Ben Stein&#039;s recent movie that exposes the &quot;untelligencia&quot; for what they are: people who choose disbelieve in God and attempt to make science support their foregone conclusion.  We need to question these so-called &quot;scholars&quot; more than we question the Church.  http://www.expelledthemovie.com/  If this kid is watching the Discovery and Encylopedia channel, he can watch Expelled.

For the more scientifically minded, read &quot;A Case Against Accident and Self-Organization&quot;.  http://www.amazon.com/Case-Against-Accident-Self-Organization/dp/0742511677  Wowee, what book.   Too hard for an 11 year old, though, I would imagine.

For me, I&#039;m convinced of the existence of God whenever I learn about biological processes like the nucleus of a cell (mind boggling), how conception works (true design) or as I witnessed the birth of my children.  Absolute transcendence!

:Doug</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lots of sources that discuss the inadequecy of the theory of evolution.  For starters, Google &#8220;problems with evolution&#8221; and have at it!  For example, this article:  <a href="http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/147-problems-for-the-theory-of-evolution" rel="nofollow">http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/147-problems-for-the-theory-of-evolution</a></p>
<p>How about Ben Stein&#8217;s recent movie that exposes the &#8220;untelligencia&#8221; for what they are: people who choose disbelieve in God and attempt to make science support their foregone conclusion.  We need to question these so-called &#8220;scholars&#8221; more than we question the Church.  <a href="http://www.expelledthemovie.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.expelledthemovie.com/</a>  If this kid is watching the Discovery and Encylopedia channel, he can watch Expelled.</p>
<p>For the more scientifically minded, read &#8220;A Case Against Accident and Self-Organization&#8221;.  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Case-Against-Accident-Self-Organization/dp/0742511677" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Case-Against-Accident-Self-Organization/dp/0742511677</a>  Wowee, what book.   Too hard for an 11 year old, though, I would imagine.</p>
<p>For me, I&#8217;m convinced of the existence of God whenever I learn about biological processes like the nucleus of a cell (mind boggling), how conception works (true design) or as I witnessed the birth of my children.  Absolute transcendence!</p>
<p> <img src='http://catechistsjourney.loyolapress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> oug</p>
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